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French naturist group reacts to "Dating Naked"

Postby John P on Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:51 pm

This could have gone in the News and media section, but I'm putting it here because it relates to attitudes about nudity for TV producers versus naturists.

It comes from a French website related to television, and what they're talking about is a French version of "Dating Naked". They've contacted a couple of people from the APNEL group (Association pour la promotion du naturisme en libert├®, or Association for Promotion of Naturism in Liberty) and got their reactions to it. Using Google Translate and some fixup work, I've got an English version of it, but the definitive text is the French original here (I'm saying please don't quote my English version, which may have mistakes):
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/culture/tv/u ... 21263.html

The encouraging thing about this is that the French naturists are so clearly expressing the naturist idea, that the human body isn't obscene, but what genuinely is obscene is when we divide it up into "acceptable" and "unacceptable" parts. It's far too rare to hear that viewpoint expressed!

For naturists, reality TV with nude candidates is the same as dressed

D8 TV channel will broadcast "Adam seeks Eve", a show where contestants are filmed in the nude, except genitals, which will be blurred. A concept that does not really convince naturists.

By Carole B├®lingard

Updated 02.10.2015 | 7:20 p.m. Published on 02.10.2015 | 6:12 p.m.

"Cover this breast which I must not see", spoke Tartuffe Dorine in Molière's play in 1664. Nearly four centuries later, nudity remains a sensitive issue. The DTT channel D8 will launch in a few weeks a reality show where contestants are naked, reports Le Parisien, Monday, February 9th.

In "Adam seeks Eve" the male and female candidates seeking love on a Polynesian atoll will be naked ... Well, not so much to the viewer, as the breasts and buttocks will be visible, but genitals will be blurred. "The idea is not to be provocative. There is no more nudity than in the episode of 'DonÔÇÖt do this, donÔÇÖt do that' [another TV reality show] when it was set among naturists on France 2", said Xavier Gandon, D8's director of broadcasts and entertainment. However, in the original broadcast in the Netherlands, there is no blurring.

A communication strategy

"Mere nudity can be surprising but not shocking" retorted Sylvie Fasol, president of the Association for the Promotion of Naturism in Liberty (APNEL). "Today we see every day in the media much more violent and shocking images, shown without warning." For the association, this type of production is just trying to create sensationalism. "Why record something that is natural, then blur it? I don't see the point", she emphasizes.

Showing naked people, but partially blurring them is in part "a communication strategy on the part of the TV channels", says Jacques Frimon, vice president of the association. "The blurring creates desire and causes fantasies. It's just to bring in the audience." In France, although the Higher Audiovisual Council (CSA) has introduced rules for erotic and pornographic programs, there is no specific ban on nudity.

A counter-productive program for nudism

Sylvie Pasol also raises the question of the casting. The producers of the show announced that candidates, aged between 25 and 35, are "normal people, not bodybuilder boys or reconstructed girls." "I'm not sure that they'd put Mr. and Mrs. Anybody on the air", Sylvie Pasol doubted. "I do not think it would be good for the ratings."

For APNEL, for this type of program does not "normallize nudity." It's actually counter-productive. "It seems to make people perform roles, who do not have the habit of nudity", explains Sylvie Pasol. "But for us, naturism is a lifestyle, it's something related to daily habits. We are opposed to this setup. We do not do this to give a show."
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Re: French naturist group reacts to "Dating Naked"

Postby nudecamper on Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:54 pm

I recall a reality prog on UK tv yrs ago called 'Shipwrecked' cast with very good looking young people, wearing swimwear & dumped on a desert island. I don't think its ever been done nude on UK tv though. Looking at US Dating Naked wiki page I note a contestant is suing Viacom for $10mill because they accidently showed her bits unpixellated. Talk about being famous for 5 seconds. :mrgreen:

But no. Not even French tv would show non pixellated genitalia. They could have saved some money & filmed the show at French naturist campsite CHM Montalivet, end of July when it is wall to wall with campers, although that much pixellation would have blanked out most of the screen. :wink:
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Postby c5nus on Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:45 am

The format was developped in the Netherlands and shown there first. After its sucess, it was then transposed into a German and a Spanish version. All three were shown uncensored. None of them caused a scandal in their home countries (although there were comments about the low intellectual quality).
For the French version, the network has decided to pay a man for two days per episode to blur out some body parts frame by frame "in order not to upset the audience". I would call that money unwisely spent.

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P.S. 'DonÔÇÖt do this, donÔÇÖt do that' as it is translated above is actually a widely seen soap/sitcom format and the episode mentioned (with genitalia not blurred out but hidden) was well appreciated by many naturists for introducing the idea to a wider audience.
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Postby John P on Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:35 pm

APNEL seems like a really great group--Cristoph, would you ever be tempted to get involved there?

Last autumn they allowed a TV producer to film one of their outings, with the promise that the broadcast wouldn't be censored. It was months before it finally appeared, and when it was, people's crotches were blurred. The report about this on their website contains a lovely French idiom, "roul├® dans la farine" which literally means "To be rolled in the flour", but (I had to look this up) it actually means to be swindled, to have someone lie to you.

http://www.apnel.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?id=812
Il semble que l'on s'est encore fait "roul├® dans la farine". Malgr├® un contrat de participation impliquant le non floutage, le r├®sultat montre que cette r├®serve incontournable n'a pas ├®t├® respect├®e.

It seems that we've been lied to again. Despite a participation contract saying there would be no blurring, the result shows that this essential condition was not met.


The web page actually shows the contract, with the no-censorship clause highlighted. Here we'd say "Sue the bastards" but maybe that's not possible in France.
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Postby Naturgesetz on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:18 am

It seems that the French are a bundle of contradictions. Many years ago, I subscribed to a French language teaching service. In one of the monthly episodes there was a story about Brigitte Bardot complaining about female toplessness on French beaches. "C'est impudique, [It's immodest]" she was reported to have said. The announcer wondered if BB were "la personne la mieux plac├®e [the person in the best position]" to make this complaint.
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Postby c5nus on Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:17 am

To answer the above posts:

APNEL is an organisation that primarily tries to get legislation changed so you could e.g. walk naked in the countryside. I sympathize with them because I like to take a stroll every once in a while and it is nice to do so naked. But as my wife is more reserved regarding rambling and prefers to be naked and resting rather than naked and working out, it is much less fun. Besided here in the Toulouse area there really is not much naturist activity at all. If you look on the web at a map of France with all naturist clubs, beaches, pools etc. it looks like one of Ian Fleming's petri dishes: There is a circle of about 100 km around our home that is void of practically anything. So we enjoy the opportunities that our sauna, our garden and trips on weekends and holidays allow.

With regard to Brigitte Bardot the wording of "impudique" is indeed a bit strange. After all she was in the early years of her carreer known for being one of the very few that would appear naked in film and photo shoots. She even sang a song, praising the feeling of being stark naked.
But the French culture is a very sensual culture. It were the French that came up with see-through lingerie when the Germans would still wear woolen underwear. Brigitte Bardot was an artist that played with the eroticism of the young trim female body in the nude. But in later years she stopped her filming carreer and has been known to be outspoken against people imposing the view of their naked and less-than-perfect bodies on others. In general, I have the impression that BB in later years used all her sympathy for animals so to have little left for her fellow humans.

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