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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby Madeline on Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:05 pm

northlondoner wrote:
northlondoner wrote:They are following me on Twitter!


They have replied to a tweet I sent them when they mentioned 80F weather on the way, and told them London has had snow. They have had their first meeting of the year outdoors.

Anyone else from the northern hemisphere been sunbathing yet?


The weather has been very similar here, even a little warmer. I took advantage of being sick at home today to go sit out in the back yard nude for the first time in a while. I'd say spring has sprung but it's really more like spring went AWOL and we went straight into summer. (Smile.) -m
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby darcy on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:38 am

Madeline wrote:The weather has been very similar here, even a little warmer. I took advantage of being sick at home today to go sit out in the back yard nude for the first time in a while. I'd say spring has sprung but it's really more like spring went AWOL and we went straight into summer. (Smile.) -m


lucky you!
(except for the being-sick part.)
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby RondeauBleu on Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:12 am

I just read back because I hadn't heard of this group. Wow! Topless book club in Central Park? Darcy and I are moving to NYC this summer... maybe we should join! :)
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Postby northlondoner on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:59 am

They have had their first book reading sessions of the year as apparently the weather has been a lot warmer in NYC than in the UK. I offered an exchange of some of their weather for NY born Boris Johnson but they didn't seem keen.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby freeWill on Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:24 am

They seem like a cool group and they have a nice blog. But I do think if they have co-ed in the title, they probably should have more men in the group. Though, it's possible that fewer men have been interested in joining, but it'd be cool to see more men at their gatherings.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby sirius631 on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:13 pm

freeWill wrote:They seem like a cool group and they have a nice blog. But I do think if they have co-ed in the title, they probably should have more men in the group. Though, it's possible that fewer men have been interested in joining, but it'd be cool to see more men at their gatherings.


+1. That will lead to the acceptance of women being topless in a non-sexual mixed gender context.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby sandy_beach_cat on Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:50 pm

I seem to remember that at some point in the blog they did discuss this. there are men, but not often in the pics.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby Naturgesetz on Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:07 pm

"Co-ed" originally referred to women at a mixed-sex university. It harks back to a time when previously all-male institutions started admitting women, thus becoming co-educational. The women were called co-eds, but not the men.

Now it seems that co-ed is rarely used as a noun to refer to women students, but only as an adjective to refer to mixed-sex groups or happenings.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby old guy on Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:06 pm

freeWill wrote:They seem like a cool group and they have a nice blog. But I do think if they have co-ed in the title, they probably should have more men in the group. Though, it's possible that fewer men have been interested in joining, but it'd be cool to see more men at their gatherings.

There's a young man in the latest (or the one before that?) posting. He appears in two photographs, wearing long baggy shorts (more clothing than the ladies tend to wear).The commentary explains admittance for men.

I've also noticed that some of the recent July posts have video clips- they run about 5 seconds a piece.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby old guy on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:04 am

The July 28 post takes a "I'll go topless here at the Brooklyn Bridge park even if it isn't actually legal" slant to it sounds like a good way to get legal areas taken away, going against regulations.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby Madeline on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:24 pm

I particularly like their post from yesterday: https://coedtoplesspulpfiction.wordpres ... n-modesty/ Some of the comments have anger that is misplaced but the gist of the piece is spot on. I've never been to any of the places mentioned. I know some other people have (paging Ayşe and Darcy!) -m
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby darcy on Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:15 pm

Madeline wrote:I particularly like their post from yesterday: https://coedtoplesspulpfiction.wordpres ... n-modesty/ Some of the comments have anger that is misplaced but the gist of the piece is spot on. I've never been to any of the places mentioned. I know some other people have (paging Ayşe and Darcy!) -m


hmm, yes.
this is very tricky.
it is true that much of the subjugation of women
that happens in places like Egypt
is due to factors beyond women's control
and/or women being complacent in their own oppression.

(please read me loud and clear:
I am not blaming religion for this.
religion may inform actions,
but actions are the responsibility of the actor.
it is possible, and not rare, to be Muslim
and not treat women like shit.)

however,
there really is no difference
between oppressing a woman
by telling her she cannot expose her breasts
and telling a woman she is oppressed
because she will not expose her breasts.
believe it or not,
there are women who choose
to wear Islamic clothing
to various degrees,
be it the headscarf only
or the full burqa.
the motives behind their decisions,
be they pressure from men
or other women
or simply a desire to dress conservatively
for whatever reason,
are ultimately irrelevant
when talking about whether it should be a choice.
of course it should be a choice!
we should all,
regardless of gender, religion, nationality, age, etc.
be able to choose
what we will and will not wear.
choosing to cover yourself completely
is ultimately, independent of all other things,
as valid a choice as complete nudity.

I don't think the OCTPFAS
intends to say
that women shouldn't have the choice
to cover up
if it is honestly what they want to do.
I do think they miss the truth
that it is not always a mandate
and sometimes is a choice.
and I think the commenters
who bash the OCTPFAS/Islamic women/Islam in general
are missing the point.
the point is:
we should all be able to do what the OCTPFAS does.
women in Egypt simply can't right now.
the reasons for that are many,
and cannot be reduced simply to
"Egypt doesn't allow it"
or "Islam doesn't allow it"
or "men don't allow it"
or "women don't allow it"
or any other such thing.
I mean, honestly,
most American women don't have the opportunity right now, either.
New York is an exception,
not the rule.

the problem isn't Egypt or Islam or men or women,
it's an idea
that women are inferior to men,
that they don't deserve the same rights,
and that they exist for men's service and amusement.
that idea is everywhere.
in Egypt,
in the US,
in Europe,
everywhere in the world
to varying degrees.
many men and women
are doing their best
to eliminate this idea from their lives.
and that's great.
but many men and women
are not doing their best
to eliminate it,
or are even doing their best
to perpetuate it.
as long as these people exist,
these attitudes about women
will exist as well.

I applaud the OCTPFAS
for taking this stand.
I would caution them
to not assume ignorance or complacency
in those women
who choose not to do as they do.
leaders must, by necessity,
lead those who do not wish to be led.
some will follow, some will not.
but all will be shown a way forward. :)
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby Nia on Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:14 am

That's my women's-studies-major roommate! :D

Seriously, though, I think we in the West have a tendency to see things like this through a Western lens. The experiences of people like you and Ayse who have lived in the Middle East are really valuable in understanding the big picture. I still think we all have our biases and prejudices based on our backgrounds, but we can at least try to see different sides of the same argument.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby chrisnaturel1 on Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:54 pm

@darcy. Well said.
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Re: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society

Postby nudewalker on Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:41 pm

I wish I could figure out how to move quotes from one post to another. Darcy said it best when she wrote " be able to choose what we will wear and will not wear". I think I speak for most nudists that all we want is to be able to be naked in more situations. We don't want to force anyone to get undressed as we don't want to be forced to get dressed. And you're right it's not an Islam thing either; just look at some Fundamentalist Christians!
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